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Old 17-09-08, 02:57 PM
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Liver damage is often overstated. We do use a liver taxing drug (stanozolol) so we do need to address this. Oftentimes the negative effect of oral steroids on the liver have been quoted because of elevated aminostransferase values, which are indeed a partial indicator for liver damage. However these levels will rise as a result of muscular damage from training as well and offer us no conclusion as to the actual negative effect. For that purpose it is essential that when you have bloodwork done, you ask the doctor to check creatine kinase and CGT levels as well. If the former is higher than normal and the latter remains unchanged then no liver damage has occurred. If the opposite is true and CK is normal and CGT is elevated, then liver damage has occurred.

If it does occur then the use of milk thistle (sylibum marianum) or Picrorohiza (33) is recommended. Both appear to have a good effect on liver regeneration. Because some of the activities of these products may be mediated by enhancing cytochrome P-450 activity, it Is not recommended that you take them as a precautionary measure. Instead, have blood levels checked for the aforementioned values once every 3 weeks while taking stanozolol and if deemed necessary, add them to your supplementation regimen

Loss of Libido

Since we use testosterone as a base, this will not be problem. Additional use of proviron would further stimulate libido, so it is actually possible your libido may be phenomenally higher than normal.

Acne

Get over yourself, these are zits, they pose no threat to your health. Proper skin care and OTC medication can be used if it makes you feel better, but avoid the use of prescription medication like anti-biotics and accutane at all costs, as these products are far more taxing on your liver than stanozolol. So in the interest of your health prescription medication for acne is not advisable.

If you get acne so bad that it really ruins your life : DON’T USE STEROIDS !!!!

Virilisation

If you are a a man : who cares ?
If you are a woman : DON’T USE STEROIDS !!!!

Prostate hypertrophy

No link between steroids and prostate cancer has ever been demonstrated, however with age a condition known as benign prostate hypertrophy can occur. Since we previously determined estrogen to be the causative factor and that androgens can actually be used as therapy to counter BPH, adding proviron at 50 mg/day should limit your risk of this. If you already have BPH or other prostate problems : DON’T USE STEROIDS !!!!

Appendix : Working with your doctor

As we mentioned before, steroid use should occur under medical supervision. With this document you are capable of interpreting a lot of data. So this may be a good time to point out what sort of data you will need from your doctor. I would advise, as I do to all my athletes, that you have blood work done every 3 weeks while on and several weeks after the cycle, starting with the week before the cycle. The following data should be collected :

Supression and recovery are examined based on levels of LH, FSH, DHEA, androstenedione and testosterone. During the cycle blood levels of testosterone and androstenedione should rise, as other decline and post-cycle a reverse tendency should be noted.

Liver damage is based on aminotransferase values (ALT, AST) as well as Creatine Kinase (CK) and gamma-glutamyltransferase (CGT). When CGT is elevated we can speak of liver damage. If it is significantly elevated use of milk thistle and cessation of use for stanozolol is recommended. If CGT is not elevated, CK levels may explain why ALT and AST are elevated.

Thyroid activity is measured with levels of TSH, T4 and T3. TSH levels should not be affected at any time during this cycle since no exogenous thyroid hormone is used. The amount of T4 and T3 are crucial as both steroid use and yohimbine use will suppress T4 to T3 conversion, and guggul should counter that to some extent. This is why it may be wise to keep an eye on this as well. It can’t hurt and if you are having blood checked anyway, can’t see why you wouldn’t have this checked

Lastly, cholesterol values. Total cholesterol and HDL/LDL ratio should be examined. During the cycle HDL/LDL-ratio should remain normal and total cholesterol should lower, unless you are using proviron, then HDL/LDL ratio may drop. After the cycle and complete recovery, values should restore themselves.
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Hey guy's !!

You use what herbal with you're cycle AAS ? in the start i have using " Legalon 80 mg/pill " and now i use only the " Liv52 DS " 6 pills in the totaly day.

I have see in the analyse of blood the liv52 work very well and i recommanted for you

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You use what herbal with you're cycle AAS ? in the start i have using " Legalon 80 mg/pill " and now i use only the " Liv52 DS " 6 pills in the totaly day.

I have see in the analyse of blood the liv52 work very well and i recommanted for you

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Legalon works well its made in Spain have used it severall times.
Maria thistle is herbal and also works good.
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Maria thistle, milk Thistle , legalon exct ... it's the same ingredient " Sylimarin " just the name change. Yes Legalon or other sylimarin work good, compared to Liv52 he's low. The liv52 have mix of herbal for protected and regenerate the systeme hepatique. In the hard problem with the liver ( toxic ) the doctor in hospital use always a " mix " and not just the Sylimarin.

Test Liv52 DS the price is very low compared too all brand sylimarin and the dose / pill is very very good (624mg ).






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Only used maria thistle.. That was before I tried orals since my liver values were a bit to high allready.. I decided to have it tested since I was a drunk perv before i started working out...Now I'm just a perv
Shitty part is I never tested it again after usage..

Well I guess when you don't feel pain it's ok.. And when you feel pain it's to late anyway
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